Bell throttling
I have been playing with changing mac's and watching the resulting shaping. from what i have seen there are 4 possible shaping profiles:
- unshaped: full speed, can reliably max out inbound on torrents.
- "fair shaping": torrent trafic ranges from 50-250 KB/s in a 'spiky' pattern similar to what i have seen for "fair" QOS shaping.
- 30KB/s throttled: happens after putting on a good bit of trafic while on "fair shapping," or sometimes when entering "peek times" after peek times you may go back to "fair shaping." a mac change on your router will put you back on "fair shaping"
- ~11KB/s throttled: simular to 30KB/s, but slower & the end of the "peek times" dose not get you off it. mac change put you back to "fair shaping"
Theory on why mac changes work:
Bell's shaping hardware tracks users based on mac (similar to resnet) and throttle "high use" users. by changing your mac (and redialing PPPoE) you get a 'fresh identity' that the shaping hardware dose not consider a heavy user. this same trick work on resnet my first year.
Jest wondering if anyone here is affected by Bell's throtling? has anyone else been playing?
cheers,
matt
PS MLPPP works quite effectively at getting around the throttling.
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Bell Throttling
I've had absolutely no issues with our Bell connection, but we have their highest speed, and I'm doing it through a corporate discount. I was unaware Bell had even started throttling. Is it universal now, or is it still in certain regions, as they spread out like a Rogers-like virus? It's possible they haven't started throttling our connection yet.
Rand486
Bell has been throttling
Bell has been throttling Sympatico-branded connections for quite a while now. Bell is now throttling wholesale connections to other ISPs (!) which is causing quite the uproar, since this is essentially causing ISP's to have broken their contracts with their customers: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/04/25/tech-trafficshaping.html
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Andrew
I thought MLPPP required
I thought MLPPP required multiple links? Know of a good how-to for setting it up (I'm currently using Tomato). Or does your ISP have to support it?
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Andrew
Throttling bad?
Is anyone actually having issues with the throttling? I've never even noticed a difference, which would indicate to me that they're nowhere near as bad as Rogers. I still get 400 kbps on some of the torrents.
Rand486
it depends
it depends on where you are & how much you download. congrats on being in a good place (i assumed you meant 400 kBps.) For me after a day with my throughput i am limited at 30KB/s, even with crazy well seeded torrents (ubuntu for example.) turn on mlppp and i get 450KB/s soled.
EDIT: there is a google map of affected teksavvy customers.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=10482191...
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Matt Englert
I'm only throttled 4:30PM to
I'm only throttled 4:30PM to 2 AM. In itself, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it means that for 'right now' downloads I often fall back to HTTP. In fact, I've made it a policy now to always download Revision3 content via HTTP during the throttling hours; it's my way of giving the finger to bell :D
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Andrew
can do it on one
you can run a multilink with only one link. it is pointless, except that the shaping hardware dose not recognize packets with the MLPPP header. and yes, your provider has to support it, teksavvy and sentex(?) do. (i am with teksavvy.)
There is a mod for tomato that will let you use mlppp.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20484600-TomatoMLPPP-released-evade-thr...
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Matt Englert
Thanks for the link, I'm
Thanks for the link, I'm with Sentex so I'll find out soon enough.
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Andrew
mlppp is broken on sentex
looks like sentex dose not have a working mlppp setup.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20675742-FUD-from-my-ISP
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Matt Englert
Yeah, I can connect with the
Yeah, I can connect with the MLPP firmware but it doesn't seem to do anything. I've noticed I'm not throttled until 6pm now, but I doubt that has anything to do with MLPP.
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Andrew
I played around with mine
I played around with mine very little, but the throttling I was experiencing definitely works on a system of combined up/down. The more I restricted my upload, the faster my download got in direct correlation. I don't think this was an issue of throughput as I was only dealing with speeds under 80kbps, which seemed to be my maximum up/down at the time, but thanks for this information, I will try changing my MAC after peak hours are done.
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Martin Lindsay
SOCIS System Administrator