Rogers new download limits
Anyone else here with Rogers highspeed and recently find out the hard way that they've lowered the monthly download limit to 60gb? Even upgrading to the extreme package will only get you 95gb. I was sure we got into the 100's before. Anyways my real problem is I'm sure that I can contain myself but living in a house with 6 guys means a fair bit of downloading. There's no way we'll be able to stay under the cap each month. What services is everyone else running in the Guelph area? because I'm going to need to make a change in the very near future. I really don't understand how they can make the limit so low and then not even offer a way of having a higher cap. I'd pay extra to double my limit but alas that isn't an option. I think this is ridiculous and I hope that many others move their business as well. Just when you thought throttling was the worst they had to offer, now this.
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Yeah, Rogers does a good job
Yeah, Rogers does a good job of draining your funds and providing a ridiculously poor service. I was only with them for 8 months because they offered a deal in conjunction with a TV package. I had 100GB/mo and that was split between a few people, so self-control on bandwidth was required.
If you can get DSL, go for it. I've heard Sentex and TekSavvy are the best in the region. TekSavvy will do a dry-loop to save you from paying Bell for a phone line.
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Jordan Kapp
Third Year - BAH/CIS
Canadian Forces Regular Officer - Aerospace Control Officer
CPES-SC Vice President
Yeah, overall it's pretty
Yeah, overall it's pretty hard to deal with sharing internet connections with the caps as they are. With that many people, you might want to talk to the buisness side of the service as they must have packages for small offices.
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Andrew
The thing to remember with
The thing to remember with Rogers "download caps" is that they're not really a physical cap, just a way to turn high bandwidth users into funding sources.
Above 95 GB, we pay (I think) 1.50/GB, to a maximum of $25, and beyond that there isn't a penalty. They might phone and yell, and I bet dollars to doughnuts they'll do something with packet injection/inspection, but they won't explicitly 'cut you off' like ResNet does.
For the 60 GB packages, I'm pretty sure it's $2/GB or $2.50/GB, still to a max of $25. And splitting $25 between 5 or 6 people really isn't a hefty additional charge each month.
My group had to settle for Rogers when we found out that DSL caps at 500kbps in our neighbourhood, because we aren't close enough to the drop, or there's too many users - I'm not very sure. They told us a number of things. Regardless, it hasn't been bad so far, and when it's not peak times, we do get our fully allotted 1200KBps (10Mbit/s), so it works out well enough in the end.
Still interested to hear about alternatives that may exist.
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Wyatt Carss
Senator, Bachelor of Computing
President, SOCIS
http://wammmr.ath.cx
DSL isn't shared between
DSL isn't shared between neighborhoods, each house has a dedicated line to the central office. If they say it's an 8MBit connection, you had better believe you ain't sharing it with every Tom Dick and Harry on the block.
Looks like you've already got the most bandwidth for a home connection. Unless you want to go all in with something like a T3 line (42MBit is pretty tempting... split 20 ways it wouldn't be too bad), a business solution might be the only viable option. Rogers' cheapest business package is $62.95, and that's a 6MBit connection with no bandwidth caps, but requires a 1-year service commitment ($72.95 without commitment).
I hope you didn't sign a service commitment with them for your home connection, because I made the mistake of doing so (thankfully, only an 8 month one, but still), and that was basically what was stopping me from canceling it and going DSL. If you did sign a commitment, I doubt you'll be able to switch to a business line.
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Jordan Kapp
Third Year - BAH/CIS
Canadian Forces Regular Officer - Aerospace Control Officer
CPES-SC Vice President
The argument about a shared
The argument about a shared connection is old and not really true anymore. The physical limits of DOCSIS are up in the 100s of mbit/s up/down. Yes, it's still shared, but the limits of the modem in your house don't compare to the limits of the actual link. (It's like a cellphone network, which usually handles the load just fine.)
Make a home network so that
Make a home network so that you dont download the same porn twice.
TSI is working well
I have been using teksavvy (teksavvy.com) and quite happy. they are one of the few DSL providers that have MLPPP (witch gets around Bells traffic shaping)
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Matt Englert
hmm
If we're unable to get DSL from Bell, would that stop us from getting DSL through a different provider running on Bell lines? This is the reason we went with rogers - because DSL was low-speed in our neighbourhood.
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Wyatt Carss
Senator, Bachelor of Computing
President, SOCIS
http://wammmr.ath.cx
Bell sucks for DSL anyway,
Bell sucks for DSL anyway, and I wouldn't be surprised if their check-systems were equally craptastic. It wouldn't hurt to call around and ask other providers. I second Matt's endorsement for TekSavvy.
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Jordan Kapp
Third Year - BAH/CIS
Canadian Forces Regular Officer - Aerospace Control Officer
CPES-SC Vice President
All DSL connections use the
All DSL connections use the same wires to connect your house to the CO, regardless of ISP. That's how Bell is able to fsck over DSL providers. So if you can only get half a meg to your house with Bell, it will be the same with any other ISP.
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Andrew
I've noticed a lot of people
I've noticed a lot of people giving Bell a hard time about their DSL connections. I have an advertised 3Mb per second line, and I speed tested it at 7:30 pm (a pretty high usage time) today, and hit 4.2Mb down and 666Kb up. Based on from what I've heard and my own experience. Bell sucks in big cities, but does great in the suburbs.
I also found out today that Bell doesn't support Firefox. They wanted me to put on a tool bar for my browser and told me that my Internet Explorer must not be up to date.for THIS they should die in a fire.
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Martin Lindsay
SOCIS System Administrator
speed tests are not throuttled
often the speed tests are not considered bulk traffic by the shaping hardware, sometimes they are elevated to give a good impression of one's connection. (cogaco?) if you interest is bulk transfers, i would not put much stock in speed tests.
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Matt Englert
anyone use
anyone use primus?
http://www.primustel.ca/en/residential/index.htm
$85 a month for unlimited 7 mbps DSL, phone and long distance seems like an amazing offer
correct me if i am wrong,
I beleve in the guelph area Primus uses bell's hardware, so the 7mb profile will prob. not be offered. also if it is using bell's hardware you (probably) will be subject to there throttling. (http://socis.ca/node/1566)
as for telcom packages, i am moving to :
$40 teksavvy unlimited 5Mb (using mlppp to avoid bell's throttling, teksavvy is one of the few ISP that this works with.)
~$9 dryloop (dsl without an active phone charge)
$2.50 link2voip.com phone number (Hespler is local to guelph and waterloo)
1.1 cent/minute link2voip termination/long distance. (we use ~$3 a month)
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~$55/month + tax
teksavvy is very active in net nutrality & getting bell to stop throttling it's resellers. Plus when you call them, you get to talk to someone who has technical skills & can fix things.
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Matt Englert
i'm pretty sure teksavvy is
i'm pretty sure teksavvy is also on the bell lines and subject to the same throttling
Yes, they are. But as Matt
Yes, they are. But as Matt mentioned, they have MLPPP, so it should help alleviate it.
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Jordan Kapp
Third Year - BAH/CIS
Canadian Forces Regular Officer - Aerospace Control Officer
CPES-SC Vice President
mlppp ftw
once it is working mlppp completely defeats bell's shaping. (/me glances at torrent speed, 430KB/60KB)